tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13194839.post5383176855530596700..comments2023-06-30T01:39:28.918-07:00Comments on B.C. Policy Perspectives: The Electoral Reform that I Would Like To See: A Brief Exchange with Dr. Henry MilnerMark Crawfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11904245045490682686noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13194839.post-29248241990186093032007-10-01T19:36:00.000-07:002007-10-01T19:36:00.000-07:00Well, I was worried about both, but Dr. Milner is ...Well, I was worried about both, but Dr. Milner is comfortable enough with party preferences to settle for the Swedish system--which does away with the donkey's tail altogether, and simply gives the voter one additional 'x' with which to alter the party list. But Hare's list with Robson rotation sounds fine to me, if you are going to have a long preferential ballot.Mark Crawfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11904245045490682686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13194839.post-58441953517776651832007-10-01T18:48:00.000-07:002007-10-01T18:48:00.000-07:00Mark, You are actually talking about two different...Mark,<BR/> You are actually talking about two different problems here.<BR/>One : the dominance of the party list, which you little you can do about if enough people accept the party line;<BR/>Second : there is problem of what is known in Australian politics as the 'donkey' vote, which is voting 1,2,3 etc. down the party lists and across the page.<BR/>In both the ACT and Tasmania, the full description of voting is Hare-Clarke with <B>Robson rotation</B>. Robson rotation just means that the order of the candidate is just by one place on each ballot, evening out any donkey vote effects (which are around about 1-2 % usually).<BR/>There are plenty of good Australian political sites such as<BR/>www.ozpolitics.info<BR/>www.abc.net.au/elections/<BR/>www.aec.gov.au and www.elections.act.gov.au which should be to answer all your quetsions on STV's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13194839.post-79217788960232324312007-10-01T09:31:00.000-07:002007-10-01T09:31:00.000-07:00Doctor: I have heard of it but have not studied th...Doctor: I have heard of it but have not studied the data closely. I believe that the Australian Senate system is nice but it runs into the same problem that 'flexible' lists do--as i alluded to in my first comment to Henry Milner above. That is, enough people vote above the line to give those in the initial (party) distribution an insurmountable advantage. Or do they? You could have the preference ordering determined entirely by those who vote below the line...which is what I was suggesting to Dr. Milner in my first letter above. That appeals to those who distrust central party organizations, and would ensure that politiciaans are pandering to the public, and not just to the party.Mark Crawfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11904245045490682686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13194839.post-73304622109018053022007-10-01T01:52:00.000-07:002007-10-01T01:52:00.000-07:00Mark,have you looked at the way the Australian Sen...Mark,<BR/>have you looked at the way the Australian Senate is elected.<BR/>There are two ways to vote on an Australian Senate ticket :<BR/><B>Above the Line</B>, which allows you to place 1 in the box of the party of your choice; or<BR/><B>Below the Line</B>, which requires you to numbers all boxes on the paper i.e you dictate the preference distribution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com